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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Refactoring Forum?]]></title>
			<link>http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=35181#p35181</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Sweet!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Refactoring Forum?]]></title>
			<link>http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=35045#p35045</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Just letting you guys know that yes, we are taking all this into consideration. I&#039;m not sure if what we end up doing will be exactly like what is proposed, but I really like what I see here personally. Look for some changes in the coming week or two once I have time to fully implement some new forums.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (vin)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Refactoring Forum?]]></title>
			<link>http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=34948#p34948</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>We did have a beginners forum here but that didnt work out so well.</p><p>I edited my list up top taking into consideration the good points you made.</p><p>Personally I think the whole web development forum is kind of a waste.. those forums should be integrated into other subjects..and I think we can all agree that design &amp; flash are better dealt with on forums that specialize in just that.</p><p>Of course the mods will have the last word, but food for thought never hurts.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (pimpmaster)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Refactoring Forum?]]></title>
			<link>http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=34935#p34935</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Deployment&quot; is not really related to &quot;Starting out&quot;, it&#039;s probably more related to DB optimization, apache/mongrel optimization and rails code refactoring. Probably that&#039;s what should be put together into a group. </p><p>I&#039;m against merging completely unrelated topics in an &quot;optimization forum&quot;, as we might have people who know how to optimize SQL statements and index tables, and others who know how to optimize a ruby method. And other people might know how to reduce the session overhead and suggest a plugin that reduces ActiveRecord overhead. Noone will know everything, and merging such things results in a big mess - about the same mess as we currently have in our &quot;Rails Programming&quot; forum.</p><p>Having too general topic names leads to people posting in the &#039;big forum&#039;, simply because they don&#039;t really think twice where to put something. Which is why usually &quot;general discussion&quot; forums aren&#039;t perfect.</p><p>Also, please take a look at the &quot;Rails Programming&quot; forum. Many threads cover simple questions, which beginners might classify as &#039;optimization&#039; (and should be posted in either rails core forums or &#039;app theory&#039; ). Refactoring is usally something else, as it&#039;s about cleaning up code in specific methods (or models), plus reducing CPU usage.</p><p>Besides that, I strongly vote for a &#039;Ajax / Prototype / Scriptaculos / LowPro / Rails Helpers&#039; forum - currently we have separate forums for JavaScript, XHTML etc, and where do people post all their Ajax stuff? In the Rails Programming forum - where it probably doesn&#039;t belong, especially as Ajax helpers are moved out of the Rails core with 2.0. </p><p>Finally, I wonder if it would be a good idea to have a forum for rails newbies. I remember when I started with Rails a few months ago, I wasn&#039;t even able to tell what is Rails and what is Ruby, and what ActiveRecord is. I probably would have preferred posting in a &quot;New to Rails?&quot; forum.</p><p>PS: I&#039;d also like to vote against a &quot;Tutorials&quot; forum. Look what&#039;s inside: cPanel, acts_as_tree, updating several models from one form, Amazon S3, Refactoring, Installing Rails on Ubuntu,... - probably many of these threads are interesting, but you&#039;d never look for them in that forum. I think its better to move the tutorials to the relevant forums and have *one* sticky in each forum with a list of topics that are tutorial-esque.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (aleco)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Refactoring Forum?]]></title>
			<link>http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=34930#p34930</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>EDITED (thanks to aleco)</p><p><strong>News and Articles</strong><br />- Forum News</p><p><strong>Starting Out</strong><br />- Installing &amp; Configuring Rails<br />- Tools</p><p><strong>Planning</strong><br />- Application Theory &amp; Design<br />- Database Design<br />- Test Driven Development</p><p><strong>Rails Programming</strong><br />- Model (ActiveRecord / ActiveResource)<br />- View (ActionView, Helpers &amp; ActiveSupport)<br />- Controller (ActionController / REST / Routes)<br />- RJS, AJAX &amp; Javascript<br />- ActionMailer</p><p><strong>Extending Rails</strong><br />- Plugin Usage &amp; Development<br />- Ruby Programming<br />- Automation (Rake Tasks, DRB, etc)</p><p><strong>Production</strong><br />- Deployment<br />- Benchmarking &amp; Caching<br />- Refactoring<br />- SQL Optimization</p><p><strong>Discussion</strong><br />- General<br />- Forum Support &amp; Suggestions</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Refactoring Forum?]]></title>
			<link>http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=34924#p34924</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Well, forum administrators will have lots of work with moving stuff between the various forums. </p><p>The biggest problem of the forum structure IMHO is having &gt;75% of all posts in one forum. I&#039;d therefor suggest to merge some underused forums and find a solution for splitting the &#039;Rails Programming&#039; forum (e.g. ActiveRecord, ActionView,...). Having too many forums can be a problem...</p><p>The other problem I&#039;m seeing with the optimization forum (even though I&#039;ve learned more by looking at how people refactor stuff than anything else) is that optimizing a SQL table has nothing to do with configuring environment.rb or profiling a ruby code snippet.</p><p>A first suggestion is the following setup (which definetly can be optimized):</p><p> - Rails Core Programming<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- ActionController<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- ActionView<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- ActionMailer<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- ActiveRecord<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- Active Support<br /> - Rails Related<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- Rails Installation<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- Rails Deployment<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- Application Design<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- Rails Plugins<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- Rails Optimization<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- Rails Testing<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- Database design<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- Ruby Programming<br />- Web Development<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- Tools<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- Ajax<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;- Design</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (aleco)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Refactoring Forum?]]></title>
			<link>http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=34916#p34916</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I would love a section like that!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (shajused)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Refactoring Forum?]]></title>
			<link>http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=34915#p34915</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>That was actually my inspiration!</p><p>Those guys are my heroes</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (pimpmaster)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Refactoring Forum?]]></title>
			<link>http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=34892#p34892</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Even better.&nbsp; I like that idea. <img src="http://railsforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>It would be sort of like <a href="http://www.therailsway.com/">http://www.therailsway.com/</a> but as a forum... and without Jamis and Michael. *shifty eyes* <img src="http://railsforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Josh)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Refactoring Forum?]]></title>
			<link>http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=34872#p34872</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>On second thought, perhaps we could call it Optimization and not only provide refactoring, but also benchmarking, caching and all those other lovely performance improvements.</p><p>It could be sitting pretty right underneath the Deployment forum.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (pimpmaster)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Refactoring Forum?]]></title>
			<link>http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=34867#p34867</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Agreed - would be good to have <img src="http://railsforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Adam)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Refactoring Forum?]]></title>
			<link>http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=34865#p34865</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Good idea. Anyone else want to chime in?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (vin)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Refactoring Forum?]]></title>
			<link>http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=34862#p34862</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>We already have forums with people trying to make things work. How about one where we can post working code for critique (and hopefully optimization)?</p><p>I think it would rock</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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